I have am really anxious to install some sway bars on our Ford chassis gas RV, and after reading and watching your experience, now more than ever. And watched many of your videos when we were evaluating models and shopping this past summer. If there aren’t significant improvements then we could get a better price on a 2016. I do think you can install most of the items yourself and purchase on Amazon to save a few hundred bucks. I talked with the factory and ordered the kits. I can say I also installed the 5star tuner and the drive to the shop to get the chassis mods was very pleasant. BTW if you two aren’t too busy with work we’re currently in the Williamsburg area and would love to meet up. Within the 2 months, and only calculating twice, I got 15 mpg, one of the trips was pretty windy. An RV/Gadget type video. I agree, I am probably going to do a rear track bar first as there is none back there and ford put one on the front from the factory a few years back, so it definitely not snake oil. On the way south from our Alaska adventures we made an appointment at the Roadmaster factory near Portland, Oregon to get our tow bar and tow car inspected after driving all those bumpy, dusty, rocky Alaskan roads (and five years of full-time wear and tear). We chose Roadmaster because it was convenient and we’ve been happy with our other purchases from them. Hi Jason, I hope you will continue to report on any improvements in ride and safety from these upgrades. If you are close to Grants Pass, OR stop by Henderson Lineup as I know they offer the same solution. rick, Thanks! Next will be SumoSprings Maxims. I have not driven it since the rear bar was installed and am hoping for a silver bullet. I liked how it told you about the traffic delay. We added a 1 1/2 in rear auxiliary stabilizer bar in addition to the rear bar that came with the chassis. I guess I’m confused and now concerned, it sounds like this sway issue happens only to gas coaches – so am I the only one with a diesel and sway problems???? They are easy to install and require no drilling or welding. what we installed on our 2016 Ford F-53 V-10 Gas Motorhome Chassis. Can anybody recommend a shop in the Houston, TX area that can advise me of steering improvements to my coach. I don’t believe my unit comes stock with the Bilstein Shocks like it does on the Precept. Patrick, We prefer the more personal “comment” style. It made the coach nearly impossible to steer! Hopefully through efforts such as yours and others (like Technomadia) we can count on the industry FINALLY opening their eyes and figuring out that adding a few thousand bucks cost for better components will pay off with more people being happy with their purchase and encouraging more people to go RV’ing. I will admit your perkiness is pleasant and maybe some will rub off on me. This spring will smooth out the impact of bumps like the oh so famous lines that run across the road. Adding a set of ROADMASTER Suspension Solutions anti-sway bars to your suspension system will have the same effect on sway as a good set of shocks has on up … You mentioned about the cost of a gas vs diesel, if comparing year to year, yes there’s a big difference. The motion makes it difficult to control the vehicle and creates an unpleasant ride. Yeah! That’s great to hear Kerry and thanks for coming back to share your experience! Since the initial cost to buy the coach was very budget friendly and it only had 24k miles on it the changes worth the cost. As for gunning the motor, we only did that for demonstration purposes but honestly, going up hills, it happens no matter how gentle we are. My wife was getting sick and couldn’t wait until we could pull over. I would research the reviews and call the shop you think is best and ask what they charge for ordering and install. There is alot of info on the web about this. An RSS anti-sway bar… Thanks so much for the kind comments Marcia Hope we can cross paths for some of that homemade jam if you’re still makin’ it. BTW my new 6-speed seems much better on cruise control than the 5-speed based on the video having just done our first trip with it in our new Vista. While our tow bar was getting an overhaul we casually asked “Do the RV suspension solutions really work?” and here’s their response: “We sell ten times as many tow bars as we do suspension products, but suspension products garner twenty times the love letters. Is there any special setting you need to do for the traffic reports? It like Air Bags for Gas RVs! Install with no major issues…you’re a better installer than I. There are some motorhomes that actually use the cab of the 550 truck and then build out the RV behind the cab from there. SuperSteer rear trac-bar He mentioned being white knuckled driving in heavy Altlanta traffic. Cheers! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I still remember going through my first toll booth. Overkill or I’m I confused on the product(s) intended purpose? I know you will. Awesome review and sooooo timely. OMG what a difference! During the video you stated you had an F53 chassis. I have found both Roadmaster and Hellwig get great reviews and … I don’t press the gas hard just let it shift on it’s normal cycle without stressing it and the noise is greatly less and runs smoother. We’ve been hearing a lot about these and wondering which way to go. As a future RV’er my biggest worry is buying a lemon, which it seems up to now is pretty much 100% of all RV’s. The front roadmaster is a little less expensive so will be trying that next. By the time we’re done we might have spent as much as a diesel . We had the windshield fixed in Whitehorse (will hold off on replacement) and tire repaired in Alaska. Figures. The entire package made our coach soooo much more enjoyable, we no lon per fight sway from passing vehicles. Thanks for your video from ROADMASTER. Now our Bounder drives a lot more like our Excursion did. Still a white-knuckle experience. Bounder – We like that we have the opportunity to test this Gas powered coach. Before I drove it again I installed a rear track bar from Brazel and a Roadmaster steering stabilizer. Did you replace the original components? Want to do a steering stabilizer but can’t decide which, Road Master, Safe T Plus or Trucenter. Thanks so much for your video! The thing now is to install Sumo Springs. Can ask where in Bay Area you had the modifications done? I’m researching RV’ing for when I can hit the road full-time in a few years so I read a lot of blogs like yours and pretty much ALL the people I read point out the cheap build quality of their rigs from the cabinets to the sinks and kitchen appliances to the noise coming out of the doghouse to your topic of today of ride quality. We have a 2005 Tiffin Ford 53 chassis motorhome. I so enjoy your video’s. Just saying. The vehicle will handle better tha without the mods but it can still be a handful depending on the strength of the wind. I don’t use cruise control as it can still be a downshift issue but otherwise, double downshift going up hills is gone. My 2015 Phoenix Cruiser is build on a Ford E-450 chassis with a V-10 and 5 speed transmission. Apparently there are similar products for class C motorhomes, certain diesel motorhomes, Super C’s and most Gas RV models (the tech said if you’re in a Freightliner Chassis RV you probably won’t need any of these stabilizers). Often, for just a few thousand dollars, you can upgrade from a 22,000 lbs chassis to a 24,000 lb chassis, or go from a 24,000 to a 26,000. This is not meant to be an instructional manual, but a recount of our experience only. Thank you for being You Guys~love the time laps…wish some of our RV moments had that! I ran my own VIN on the internet and it came back as an F550 chassis. Thank you for passing this on. Comments like this make us smile ear to ear, safe travels and happy holidays! I currently have an 04 Revolution on a Freightliner Chassis and it rides and drives great. I have a Tiffin Allegro 2005 Motorhome and it is loosy-goosy and I am investing in purchasing these items. The dealership said they are going to make it right and they are going to check with Jayco Corporate to determine what can be done to make this thing more enjoyable to drive. Nice video. Does anyone know how to reduce that noise? The best $400 we have probably spent on the RV. Great info, we just winterized our rig, 2016 Bounder 35K, and already can’t wait for spring in order to apply some of the suggestions from your video’s and get back out there. This might be the perfect option for those who are thinking of adding the rear sway bar alone! Once we made the move from a diesel RV with air suspension to a gas RV with leaf springs, we felt like the addition of beefier anti-sway bars would help to improve the ride a bit. All of our issues, at the time, were taken care in a timely fashion except for the replacement of a door and that’s what took so darn long. I was kicking myself for not having one of those little bubble compass with the ‘yaw’ line to show the sway of the coach, seriously it would have blown your mind the amount of sway we got from the factory vs. how our coach handles now with these few anti-sway & suspension upgrades. Good deal! But seriously, well I am serious, I would tone down the enthusiasm, just a little too much and comes across a bit fake. I put one on the truck this summer and the upgrade was worth the expense. I’ve been fighting my Ford 53 chassis now for many, many months and, NOW, convinced, thank you Nikki, that I’m truly not going bonkers. The Roadmaster failed at 50,000 mile and literally grenaded on the road. On the driver’s side, install the SuperSteer spacer plate so it’s sandwiched between the axle tube and anti-sway bar bracket. Cost about $1000 for all 4 and installed them myself. Thanks again for bending Fleetwood’s ear towards their actual consumers. In comparison to the Tiffin they offer some really nice features such as a much better inverter and a larger water tank. Next to try will be the much talked about 5 Star tune- I’m hoping you guys give that a try. … All three were easy after viewing the etrailer videos to … Thanks for posting – excellent read. Many people claim a noticeable difference in the level of harshness after replacing the Bilsteins with the Konis. I recently added Hellwig antisway bars front and back and Biltstein heavy duty shocks. Thanks again for all the great videos! Fits Ford F53 Class A Motorhome 1990-97 Rear 1 1/2" sway bars Polyurethane Sway Bar Bushing Set. Nikki & Jason- It rocks like a boat on the ocean when all my tanks are empty. Never lift the RV by its jacks. “Before it becomes a motorhome chassis, the vehicle starts out as a Ford F550 truck. A cat lover! Unrelated question… could you do a video sometime in the near future on your internet and tv systems in your coach? We just bought a 2014 class A gas 34ft with f-53 chasis. In addition, the larger diameter of the bar … I have a 2015 Bounder and was looking to make improvements, so your report was exactly what I needed. We show the good, the bad and the in-between but all in all we are happy go lucky people. I agree with other comments that is is surprising that Ford has not modified their engine program nor strengthened the front and rear sway bars. Have fun, stay safe (you dont mention anything about safety precautions on your videos) and I hope you can keep on doing what you are doing for as long as you can. For those that want their motorhome to handle more like a car, get both.”. All I can say is it’s not going to be done at camping world. I got a 2001 Bounder 36u with the V10 on the F53 Chasis and we love it. I have tried several front-end soltiins, but perhaps a rear sway bar… It is a Dodge and Dodge products wander. I assume that you don’t have a sound level meter to do a before and after measurement. At least you took the 205 around Portland instead of going through the heart of town. We did fix some of the noise issues here: https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/gas-rv-experience-noise-ride-performance. You are correct about the difference in the bouncing of the front end. did this all come about from the Alaska trip? When I drove the Tiffin home 2 hours from the dealer I realized that the ride and handling left a lot to be desired. I run a number of them and have contacts that run some of the largest RV forums. Make note of what speeds this is taking place. Sway Bars & Bushings; Koni Shocks; Safe-T-Plus Steering Control; Trac Bars… I’m quite pleased with the gas coach vs the previous diesel. The first 150 miles of Interstate were in a monsoon, the remaining 300 miles on 98% Interstate including the perimeter around Atlanta, heavy traffic. The one RV video where your wife was alone in Joshua tree for the night had me a bit worried. I’m glad you guys tested it out and put it out for everyone to see. I guess I got what I paid for. The front and tears way bars have 2 settings on them and from the factory. . I noticed that the Bounder has a taller doghouse than our Tiffin. We still love our gas coach (the floorplan, layout and quality are ideal for us) and are sure with an enhancement like this, we would love it even more! Seeing what you guys have added has us talking of another upgrade for Atreyu! Hellwig has designed several RV-specific products that will help combat some of your RV’s wayward handling characteristics and get you feeling like the King of the Road once again! ; Rear Sway Bar … I appreciate your reponse and I know its not T&A but you will have to admit probably one of the reaons you are succeesfull is that you are both attractive, I dont see too many video’s with the stereotypical RV’er. I have a Class C. It’s a 2012 Winnebago Access 31C. Many find the rear to be such an improvement that they go no further. Air tools will make this a much easier install. We installed 4 new Koni shocks. Thanks again! When we got to the FMCA Rally at Madison, WI this summer I visited the booth of 5 Star automotive and after lots of questions and answers they upgraded the programming in my engine computer with a solution. But that down those hooks from above the drivers head space! I bought a cheap torque wrench off of Amazon that was supposed to work in that range, but never did work right. Our speed was 65-70 headed home. Hi, I had a 50ft Ocean Yacht for 10 yrs, I was a live aboard and traveled extensively. I test drove a 2017 Bounder ane was so disappointed the swaying i stopped the test ride made a coment just how bad the suspension was . You can purchase these or if you like to tinker and have some access to mainly a mill you can make your own for around $60. My Roadtrek mileage is 17mpg. Have you changed your systems in your new RV? White knuckles describes the trip. I was in a 35k yesterday and saw that there were 4 ac vents in the bedroom. So is this an alternative to the Wynn’s upgrades? Can you please run your VIN to clarify what chassis you have? Well worth the $$. The back will heat up faster than the front going down the road and the Temp Sensor in the back is along way back. lol Even though this video was meant to help with gas RV stabilizers, I think your suggestions will work with my 25′ motorhome. A bounce and a knock and I envisioned a Midnight Express moment (the movie~maybe not to be seen). My first posting of this came across wrong let’s try again, I have a 2015 Coachmen 36′ and it has the V10 Ford motor as well. You might check with North Texas RV in Denton. I don’t remember right now why but made the appointment with my dealer (Giant Recreation World, Ormond Beach, FL). I have a 2015 Newmar 3401 Bay Star and at times she drives like a beast. Congrats on the new RV, hope you enjoy it. Ah yes, we like that little guy as well. If you haven’t done the upgrades, you know what I’m talking about. A rear trac bar reduces rear axle side-to-side play, which translates into predictable handling and precise steering. You can see the windshield fix here:https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/whitehorse-yukon-klondike And as for how we make this work along with how others make it work, you will find those answers on our Make Money and Travel series: https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/make-money-travel. If there is an external spring, that may be the culprit. Having the RV on a lift would make it easier to get leverage on the bolts. As others have mentioned Tiffin started offering SumoSprings as an option in 2015. My wife drives it regularly and she feels very comfortable driving it! Both stock and custom anti-sway bars are designed as a link between the suspension and the frame, and both use the weight of the axle as a brace against the chassis, so that pressure to one side of the motorhome (by weight shift, wind, or passing trucks) is countered by the bar. Quite a jump! While we were at Winnebago ( a story in itself) several of the other people we met almost had us convinced to buy a diesel for the ride. Roadmaster vs. Hellwig Sway Bars for E450 Class C - Page 2 - iRV2 … I lived in Washington state for 30 years. Safe travels. But you can order them and install them on an old coach too. Have you installed any upgrades on your RV that have drastically changed your ride? It won’t sway near as much, you won’t feel the trucks passing you as much either. Sure, I dream about having a new DP but I know I can’t afford to maintain one, much less buy one! Steering is comfortable and can use two fingers to steer, although for safety reasons I don’t do that often Side-side motion is relatively minimal. https://www.amazon.com/Hellwig-7180-Rear-Sway-Bar/dp/B0006HJVF2 One last comment – it would be great if you had a Forum on your website. Thanks for the reply. I strongly concur that this is money well spent. We have a Workhorse chassis which of course is no longer made but many people have told us it’s great for longevity and this may just make us love it. Hi Deborah, The diesel they are talking about is a diesel pusher motorhome. I would say…I’m the only driver…”Don’t you feel that?”….I mean what is wrong with this picture. We have a 29′ Newmar Bay Star with the same 22k lb chassis that your Fleetwood has so I’d be curious about the difference between aftermarket sway bars and simply making adjustments to the current sway bars via the “fix”. It has several roadmaster dealers in your area. In the meantime, you can see most of our tech and such here: https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/rv-modifications-technology, Hi Guys Love your site ! Our new motorhome … There may be other brands out there but we do not have experience with them and we cannot comment on their quality, warranty or effectiveness. Marc and Julie Bennett (RVLove), Kudos to Nikki for driving that big rig – great job! And I have to say I am amazed that RV mfrs. I also noticed there is less movement when going up the steps. The Cat on the counter top or dash so wonderful! Not sure what would have caused your sway bar to fly out the back, maybe an improper install, but I watched the installer take the factory bar off and place the new bar on and I’m confident in the solution. Hoping for a change soon. And ours did wear out since replacement with the Safe T Plus made a huge difference. When you see my face you’re probably reading something more technical than adventurous, but either way I do my best to tell it like it is and infuse my opinions into the commentary…after all this is a blog and not MSN. I added the tuner to “the list” Cheers and we’ll certainly use your Amazon link if we decided to get anything! Nikki and Jason, To me, I’d much rather take my budge and spend it on a older diesel then a newer gas. The shift and engine performance was quite a bit different, I have several hills around me (not mountains but good short grades) I had to really try to get it to downshift hard otherwise in cruise it shifted only one gear and came out of the shift very quickly ( 3200RPM was max I saw in cruise Mode) No disengaging and re-engaging the cruise. Your article inspired me and I started looking into changing the sway bars but in the middle of my research I received an email from the manufacturer that the bushings on my rear sway bar needed replaced. Hey Nikki…nice to see you behind the wheel. I thought that was just the way it was. Thanks : ). For those on a budget the rear sway bar is the biggest bang for the buck. Want to experience “wander” then drive my 1997 Class B Roadtrek. Drinks on me at my “health club!” This will stop the up and down motion a lot!!! Will probably try CHF first since it costs nothing and should stiffen the sway bars. I think these things that are basically shocks mounted horizontally can wear out. Andy. On an F53 chassis the front sway bar has two sets of holes in it. We are totally kicking ourselves for not having it done before logging nearly 10,000 miles up and back from Alaska! These spacers provide clearance between the anti-sway bar and the Trac Bar … Other than those two suggestions I love both your RV and Sailboat videos. Stopped the sway instantly. Editing Video – We would love to pawn off our video to an editor but it’s simply not in the budget. Here’s my understanding based on the manufacturer’s notes and from our driving experience: Of course it varies depending on the model year and chassis, but our total shop time for all 3 products was 3.5 hours (even though our tech completed it more quickly this is the going rate and should be approximately what to expect at most service centers). I do have experience driving trucks and fire equipment. We are looking at upgrading in the next year, and I think we would do those upgrades immediately if it wouldn’t void any warranty. The only down side to your blog is your costing me money with all the great places and things your doing. I searched and bought a kit to replace the brackets and bushings on the sway-bar. I watched more of your video’s last night. Anyway….the floaty thing did it…I watched the vid and heard all I needed to, to know that we were on the same track. It just seems crazy. After nearly 14,000 miles I am still planning a few upgrades to the running gear. We truly love him (SeeMore) and were convinced that there was a fix somewhere. The difference in the ride was like night and day. Yes, and make sure you call Roadmaster direct to confirm the part numbers, do not trust a dealer to get it right! Bottom line is that we can now full time in it very comfortably when the time comes. Driving it home about 1.5 hours was horrible. I also reduced the tire pressure from the 110psi from the dealer to 90 in front and 85 in back. In Sep. we had an alignment done and it improved measurably although I still feel the sway when I am driving. I’m excited for you. The improvements are as dramatic as others have stated. The Roadmaster anti-sway bars … After the same updates as the Wynn’s, front and rear sway-bars and steering stabilizer. Recommended to you based on your activity and what's popular • Feedback We have decided to try the “cheap handling fix” which works on the F53 chassis. The other thing I added were Sumo Maxim springs on the front, it is a polymer spring that mounts between the leaf spring/axle and the frame p. It attaches top and bottom and replaces the factory bump stop that comes from factory. We were not paid or compensated by anyone for this article and these products were installed at no charge to Fleetwood. 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