I think there was some reason that using cloned bodies doesn't work as good as another person's for the whole mind-transfer-thingy, but I can't remember what exactly right now. Nah, I think Palpatine lost that Windu fight on purpose, and him and Yoda were almost evenly matched - but he was still stronger. When it comes to combat skills, there’s no question that Palpatine was far more capable with a lightsaber in his hands than Snoke. If his apprentice will never grow stronger than him then he should cast him aside and find a stronger apprentice with better growth potential. In Star Wars: Darth Vader #5, that very question gets answered, and it gets answer hard when Vader defies his master the Emperor Palpatine and the dark lord's response is to lay Vader flat. And keep in mind, Yoda was 800 years old and Palpatine was a human, only having trained with the force for that amount of time. Never seemed that strong to me. both EU Versions, at their most powerful. Other Rebel pilots like Wedge Antilles are still alive, and they keep firing, fighting the good fight while Luke reaches within himself to fly his plane and land the shots he needs to land. By "Revenge of the Sith," Palpatine pretty much had control of the Senate. More Powerful - The Priestesses. spoiler In ROTJ Palpatine wants to replace Vader with Luke, because Luke is stronger than the crippled Vader, who depends on his life support suit and has … Still wouldn't be an easy fight for him though. So, trained right. There's no question about it: Emperor Palpatine is demonstrably stronger than Darth Vader. Stronger than Luke?! WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, in theaters now.. For decades, debates have raged which side is more powerful than the other in the Star Wars Universe. At their most powerful? In ROTJ Palpatine wants to replace Vader with Luke, because Luke is stronger than the crippled Vader, who depends on his life support suit and has limited Force potential due to his prosthetic limbs. Luke high diff. Your heart. The inquisitors couldn't handle half-trained Jedi like Kanan and Ezra and Palpatine didn't want to personally expose himself to danger. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Luke actually can’t take down the Death Star only by himself. But manipulation, clouding force sense, all that jazz is Palpatine's speciality, not fisticuffs. You don't become stronger by not challenging yourself as hard as possible. Press J to jump to the feed. Response to Mace Windu stronger than Palpatine? Although Palpatine is possibly the most hate filled and greedy person in the galaxy, Mace is a force to be reckoned with. STAR WARS 8 filmmakers confirm Snoke is the most powerful Dark Side Force user in Star Wars history, more than Darth Vader or Emperor Palpatine. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He was raised in his family's ancestral home, Convergence, situated in Naboo's Lake Country, and had at least two brothers and two sisters.From an early age, Palpatine identified himself as different from his peers and siblings, recognizing a great power within himself, and believing that he was born to lead, which led to an uneasy relationship with his family. Lucas further measures that Luke's Force potential was twice as powerful as Emperor Palpatine. Even though fundamentally, those consumed by the dark side are selfish and seek power for themselves above all, they understand that there are limits to going alone. She may not currently be… o_0 lol... no. It seems like C-3PO is about to say that Emperor Palpatine put the rule in place, but he gets cut off. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. There's not an official tier list, but it goes something like. "Some things are stronger than blood," Luke tells Rey in The Rise of Skywalker, ... and by crowning a Palpatine as the last living Skywalker in the end, Abrams suggests the same. Fans of the Jedi Order have vouched for the Light Side whereas lovers of the Sith have made it abundantly clear the Dark Side cannot be stymied and will always find a way to return, ergo … Yoda encountered the Priestesses on his journey of discovery, … Rey: Leia's saber. My interpretation of the Bane novels was that, when a Dark Side master becomes strong, the Dark Side fills them with an urge to pass the power down to a successor, that isn't necessarily anything to do with their logical wishes, even if it can be justified (needing a partner for missions etc). I don't think there was a point in either the Bespin or Death Star 2 duels in which Vader was outright trying to kill Luke. Mace is good but definately better than Anakin, Luke. He also never expected Vader to turn on him which is why he was so easily defeated. I'm not sure who'd win there. and then the fourth spot has a ton of competition between the rest of the Skywalker family and maybe people like Yoda or Nihilus. Sidious really is no slouch but by the near-end of SW with the abeloth business Luke has more than made up the skill difference, as well as building a varied set of techniques and powers to draw on. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. But the plan failed, and when Luke refused to fight, Palpatine attempted to simply kill the young Jedi, assaulting him with vicious blasts of Force lightning as Vader looked on. Then what I've seen from Luke he can do it in his sleep. While Han is busy distracting the Empire’s forces— primarily Darth Vader— Luke still has to actually destroy the Death Star. Both you and /u/Darth_Terry used the term "high diff". There's something my sister would want you to have. Your destiny. and he got his revenge with him later. Palpatine was born on Naboo, the eldest son of House Palpatine's patriarch Cosinga and his wife. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. But even if they were matched in power, Palpatine’s lack of limit and relentless quest for domination may have overpowered Yoda’s concentrated morals. Yoda could… Mercedes Formula 1 boss Toto Wolff expects Red Bull to be a "much stronger opponent" in 2021 after signing Sergio Perez to partner Max Verstappen. Palpatine grew terrifically powerful as time passed throughout the Galactic Civil War, and was likely riding pretty high on the dark side when he faced Yoda. In terms of fighting, most would agree they’re fairly evenly matched. He was still powerful enough to act as the Emperor's enforcer but not powerful enough to overthrow Palpatine, because one blast of force lightning would fry his suit's electronics. What's the official tier list of everyone? I'm sure he felt he could turn him and manipulate him the rest of his life to never turn on him. Two of the most powerful force users of thei era, Darth Sidious and Master Yoda. If you don't face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi, and the war will be lost. Examples from both continuities showed that furthermore, some of the more potent dark force abilities was unlocked by two Sith working in tandem. Yoda’s trainee and protege, Luke Skywalker is often thought to be one of the most powerful and influential Jedi to ever… Optimally he wanted an apprentice as strong as possible but still less powerful than himself. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker might have been released more than a year ago now, but there are still some mysteries that Star Wars is slowly answering. The Skywalkers, Palpatine, some of the Banite Sith, a few of the old Sith Lords, Yoda, perhaps Windu, and a few of the Old Republic Jedi are the only ones who could be said to be stronger. yoda i am very sad to say was lucky to survive his fight with palpy so he is not better than Palpatine. He disregards an apprentice he did want (Maul) in favour of an apprentice he didn't (Tyranus). Palpatine is chaos; Yoda is peace. You are indeed where you belong. Anakin managed to tame the Brother and Sister at a much lower power level than EU Luke, and Luke defeated the Mother (Abeloth) in single combat, but the Father never really throws down, so gauging his abilities is hard. Your destiny. you never know, he could've been as powerful, if not more because of his knowledge of the dark side. Sidious at his most powerful still is no slouch, but he does go down. Since like seems to stomp, how about Luke vs the three force lords from clone wars. Rey is included because there's no doubt that she will become one of the strongest Jedi ever. Why not just a bunch of weak inquisitors to do all the dirty work? The bigger the threat, the stronger Palpatine needs to be to survive it. Response to Mace Windu stronger than Palpatine? Anakin was the strongest and best. I don't know shit about Starwars EU but from what I've heard around this sub, Luke is force Jesus. To not do so makes them unworthy of being the apprentice. He threw away a small empire and diminished the overall size of his Galactic Empire that he eventually formed. I agree Luke would win most of the time but not because he became one with the force ,Revan and Barris offe both became one with he force but sidious would beat them with ease. If you don’t face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi, and the world will be lost. Each generation is more powerful than the last and moves the Sith closer to the final goal, Except Palp specifically ended the rule of 2. Weaker: Yoda. While it may make sense to some, this doesn't make sense to me because if he took on a stronger apprentice, wouldn't that mean he would eventually be overthrown by said apprentice? They need the ambition and desire for power to drive them towards greatness if they seek to gain and hold control over the galaxy. Luke High-diff. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! Luke is said to represent Anakin's full potential, if Anakin had lived to achieve it rather than suffer the horrible fate that made him more machine than man. Yoda is a skilled fighter, as seen during his battle with Darth Sidious in Revenge of … Due to Darth Vader’s unique ties to The Force, it’s often assumed that he’s the more powerful. The power that the Sith seek is unlocked by a partnership. By Stefan Kyriazis PUBLISHED: 12:19, Sun, Dec 3, 2017 That's true for the Sith, but not for Palpatine. Palpatine was stated by multiple sources (all Legends, to be fair, and the last was a few years before the Plagueis novel) to be the strongest Sith of all time. As the apprentice they must constantly task themselves with the ability to learn and crave power. Yoda was the wisest and the most powerful Jedi, having lived for 900 years and trained Jedi for 800 years. But the master must be the embodiment of power. Luke basically became one with the force, absolutely crushes Palpatine. Every Sith Lord enters a state of self awareness upon joining the order. Why would he want to put his own life at risk by taking on a stronger apprentice? Because despite everything else, Palpatine is utterly devoted to the Sith religion. Vader seems to be stronger with the force, or at least he displays it more. If the apprentice never learns what the master knows and becomes more powerful then the Sith won't move forward. and obi wan is not better than Anakin like someone said with the sports example, Anakin's arrogance over came him. Now I'm curious. Palpatine was powerful, but Luke had a much stronger connection to the Force overall. Conveniently for Palpatine, Vader was crippled but still alive after his duel with Obi-Wan. 2013-10-19 06:59:14 At 8/30/13 08:33 PM, FlakJaketPro wrote: I think Mace actually could have won. He was an arrogant ego maniac and master manipulator. They should have a physical need to be the master. He just wants to rule the universe. 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